Compatibility with LoRa Gateways and The Things Network


#1

Hello,

I am an aspiring entrepreneur in the field of IoT and really interested in LoRa technology. I am planning to get started with Cayenne in helping me set up my first use cases and devices. I am seeking to become a LoRa solution provider. My question is, what base stations are Cayenne compatible with? What exact model and brand is recommended?

I am leaning towards using The Things Network as my platform but it seems that The Things Network is not supported? Or is will it be compatible?

Also, in terms of sensors. Are we limited to what sensors we can use if we use Cayenne? Or can we technically use any sensor available in Actility’s ThinkPark marketplace since myDevices and Actility have made a partnership?

Thank you,
Andrew


#2

Hi Andrew,

Welcome to the Cayenne community! I moved your topic to the ‘General IoT Discussion’ category, hope you don’t mind.

So how familiar are you with LoRa?.. Which network you would use and what devices are fairly reliant on where you are located in the world, at least at this stage in the LoRa space. I just heard about The Things Network the other day, and I still need to research it. I’m not sure how much following / users / business it actually has, which would ultimately determine how much of a priority it is to get integrate with Cayenne.

You should check out LORIOT. We will work with Loriot, Senet, and Actility networks, and we should be able to bring on any sensor that is connected through Actility network.

What’s your timeline looking like? There are several guys here in the Cayenne community who are also interested in LoRa stuff…there may be some collaboration opportunities or people who can share their knowlegde…@picaxe come to mind here :slight_smile:

-B


#3

By the way, our LoRaWAN support is currently under NDA, so I would reach out to me directly if you would like further information. I’m not able to share it publicly at this time…but maybe soon :slight_smile:

-B


#5

Hi Bestes,

I appreciate your response. I’ll appreciate if we can get connected to discuss this further, espcially since that NDA is in place. What is a contact email I can reach you at?


#6

bestes@mydevices.com


#7

Hi
Keen to hear what is happening here. I have some experience with a few basic serial LoRa devices, less so with LoRaWAN but a general understand the white papers and can see the benefits of both. One definite advantage I can see in my case is sheer range over open country was a 15km range off a breadboard and simple whip antennae using just 3xAA batteries to dashboard of a moving car :slight_smile:


Happy to share experience and ideas department etc.

~ Andrew


#8

Hey @picaxe,

I actually just had a conversation with a NZ LoRa network company, they have covered half of NZ already! VERY impressive company, http://kotahi.net/ .

Check out our LoRa docs and let me know what you think? http://www.cayenne-mydevices.com/docs/#lora

I created specific category in the Cayenne community for LoRa too. http://community.mydevices.com/c/lora

-B


#9

Hi @andrewdoumith,

The Cayenne LoRa integration has been publicly pushed out. Check it out and let me know what you think!

http://www.cayenne-mydevices.com/docs/#lora

-B


#10

Hi
LoRaWAN I see working where there is the Wan Part off things but that is
very few percent in NZ at present.
Seems that LoRaWAN would replace just about everything or a lot of
hardware (sensors, Pi / Arduino ) and would it just leave Cayenne as a
GUI / interface ?

I have met KotahiNet already, shared ideas and have some idea of the
tech they are using. Seems there are a few wrinkles with access to the
part of the 800/900 band that they first started using and this chops
and changes between countries ?

My Own LoRa experience is using the LoRa pure (not LoRaWAN) as point to
point withIN my own systems. I do serial over radio generally in the
ISM / LoRa 433MHz band or ASK in nearly all my systems by bringing
signals in as serial data to the ttyAMA0 of the Pi and then working
using python to split and post data out of a CSV blob. This is why I
have always been asking about accesss to a python In/Out virtual
variable within the Pi which would make a very simple and elegant
solution and finally glue all my class work and educational systems into
Cayenne.

I find I can maximise learning AND benefit of ultra low cost and uAmp
power RF devices this way. I have used thee 433MHz simple ASK devices
that come in about $5 per instrument for a simple sensor / Tx’r and
these run well off just 3xAA batteries for over a year poling in data at
~ 5to 10 second updates. This type of system has been duplicated by a
lot of people here in NZ. I think that near range 100m - 200m around
the section / yard / house / farm building from self powered devices is
where a lot of the market or at least self inventer / maker / tinker
types are at ?

I have just blended in ~$15 serial LoRa modules into this mix for
super long back haul / data concentrator application.

The 433MHz outperforms the higher bands and is very low cost in built up
/ vegetation = NZ practical conditions. The claimed max ranges in some
of the specs perhaps a bit optimistic and high point / clear path under
ideal conditions ?

Here are some photos and documents to give you some idea of where our
own IoT approaches are going. The present 9 months we are working up
pilot IoT systems. I am basing this system on simple micro’s and just
the raspberry pi. I rely on the serial into Pi method with both the 2 I
am involved with out of the 9 schools selected from 74 applications with
a total shared $1m spend. My approach works down at very low levels of
electronics and IT programming micro sensors maximises learning in all
areas of science, tech math and IT. My circuits are deliberately made
from the simplest low cost components and the most basic hardware. Most
techers and nearly all kids have only days to learn this from ZERO !

For now to get data on line to a GUI we are having to cook up our own
virtual IoT GUI to match the simple serial data packet processing.
There are some great examples of GIS data servers being made from
scratch and much tinkering with MySQL, Geo Locating sensors from Lat
Lon packet data and all sorts of one off projects with alerting systems
and original approaches and levels of ability.

If some simple python serial was made available I Would move very
quickly to blend in and stream line large chunks of this and it would
save me and others a lot of time. We are doing this with about 12 lines
of code and forwarding data Post and Get etc to servers aall over the
place. Messy !

Where possible we Are using the simple digital direct onto the Pi GPIO
but snesors and virtual variable handing of the most basic numbers TO
and FROMM Cayenne would be a real coup in my book :slight_smile:

Enjoy the photos

~ Andrew

Benny Estes wrote:

[bestes] bestes Product Owner
October 28

Hey @picaxe,

I actually just had a conversation with a NZ LoRa network company,
they have covered half of NZ already! VERY impressive company,
http://kotahi.net/ .

Check out our LoRa docs and let me know what you think?
http://www.cayenne-mydevices.com/docs/#lora

I created specific category in the Cayenne community for LoRa too.
http://community.mydevices.com/c/lora


#11

Would be interested to know where Cayenne fits in between LoRaWAN and
Open Source as it looks like the LoRaWAN full service would almost
replace need for a lot of MyDevices projects but on a commercial
basis. I imagine LoRaWAN would be like just signing up to a cell
network provider with monthly / data / sockets pay per click ?

Would / Could MyDevices provide a non for profit network of LoRaWAN
concentrators / collectors / gateways and the GUI for more open source
type approach ? Or even e.g. people put up community open access nodes
non for profit ?

The LoRa (without the WAN) I have been playing with to explore / exploit
the potential of the technology stand alone for back haul. I have
tested this myself and for $15 per radio is seriously powerful stuff. A
school I will be working with in a few weeks will use this to bring /
Back Haul the students own IoT projects that will be spread around one
of NZ top vineyards . So this makes a commercial / educational
proposition with the vineyard getting free instrumentation, met and soil
science whcih they can pick the best bits out of each year. The data
will be collected from one of my cicadacom mesh 100 - 200m range to a
LoRa radio link that will relay it 4km back to the school. From There
direct wired onto the GPIO into the Pi.

In Dunedin we are involving schools there with a serious and Big local
issue that is well explained by my daughter in these video clips…
http://www.orc.govt.nz/Information-and-Services/Natural-Hazards/South-Dunedin/
I.e. Kids making their own instruments and discovering things
This is really connected sort of IoT
Fun Too !

Hope this helps paint a picture for you from ‘down under’ and Yes I am
keen to see where things go for MyDevices but I am mainly after the most
Open and Free and educational angles as you can see or tell ! I am
partuicularly keen on the simplest most direct educational interface.
This is Pi direct connected sensors and or very simple and ultra chheap
battery + uAmp chip + clip leads approach. The effect this has on kids
in schools is quite amazing…

~ Andrew


#12

Useful integration… have to buy a LoRA compatible device soon to test.


#13

, looking at recently issued 433 MHz UART LoRa modules to suit a “get ya feet wet” project. Fancy joining in ? US$10 each seems the sweet spot.

How do these barebones Chengdu EBYTE E32-TTL-100S1 “2 chippers” strike you => https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Low-cost-E32-TTL-100S1-100mW_60470176300.html

They’re available in more professionally covered forms too,c/w antenna etc…